tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post4243874045255595406..comments2024-03-19T02:43:07.969-04:00Comments on "Time's Up!": “The Honeymooners” Was No Honeymoon… (When Nostalgia Is Not So Nice)Time's Uphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09908111385466002389noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-39708397605161905142017-06-17T22:40:01.795-04:002017-06-17T22:40:01.795-04:00Well, for one, The Honeymooners was a TV show. It ...Well, for one, The Honeymooners was a TV show. It reflects the time it was produced. I, in no way, find that show to promote domestic violence. Ralph was just your average idiot who seemed to be afraid of his wife. From the acting itself,it seems like Alice wouldn't dare take Ralph being physically abusive to her. <br />You're right, it wasn't politically correct, and that makes it great. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-77759068788041370402017-06-01T11:47:30.212-04:002017-06-01T11:47:30.212-04:00So because you believe it's "unhealthy&qu...So because you believe it's "unhealthy" it's abusive? By that token Lucy and Ricky have an abusive relationship because he treats her like a child and often dexudes to teach her a lesson. They are just old shoes, for crying out loud. I think we should address real live issues rather than made up relationships from 60 -70 years ago!Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04385849069731854709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-69383388216067581892017-06-01T11:43:06.806-04:002017-06-01T11:43:06.806-04:00Exactly what I was thinking! It's like Roches...Exactly what I was thinking! It's like Rochester on Jack Benny. He may say "sir"and "boss " but there is no doubt Rochester is completely in charge. Alice is in charge. Besides, it's just a TV show, after all.Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04385849069731854709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-18935944330682627242017-05-08T23:12:27.819-04:002017-05-08T23:12:27.819-04:00Picking on the Honeymooners? Alice was Ralph's...Picking on the Honeymooners? Alice was Ralph's master and she knew it, that couldn't be clearer in every episode.<br /><br />I feel sorry for your trauma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-48710100276511377252017-01-08T01:40:58.532-05:002017-01-08T01:40:58.532-05:00How does it go from wife beating to talking about ...How does it go from wife beating to talking about him providing for his wife and being ambitious? What do the two have to do with each other? What, if he was more ambitious and provided better for his wife then his abusive behavior would be acceptable?Bretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09417596180160171415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-82763573698734881572016-07-27T20:46:25.007-04:002016-07-27T20:46:25.007-04:002.
“Jackie Gleason was paid a whopping $65,000 p...2. <br /><br />“Jackie Gleason was paid a whopping $65,000 per episode increased to $70,000 during the second season. Audrey Meadows received $2,000 per week.” <br /><br />The salary discrepancy you describe was (and is) quite common, with top-billed stars from Carol Burnett all the way up to Ellen DeGeneres frequently making ten times or more what other, equally qualified actors and actresses on the same show make. Lucille Ball, as early as 1968, was reported to be the richest woman in television, having earned an estimated $30 million. Her acting fees in 1966 were $130,172 an episode, which, by your own statistic, more than doubles Gleason’s just a decade earlier. <br /><br />“Ladyjustice reviewed about a dozen episodes of the Honeymooners on YouTube...” <br /><br />Wow, twelve? By my calculation that totals a whopping 4 hours of The Honeymooners. Given the corpus--the perennially syndicated run known as the “Classic 39,” the hundreds of previously “lost episodes,” and Honeymooners skits performed by the cast on other programs, your four hours of “research” barely scratches the surface. Then again, surface appears to be your specialty. <br /><br />It is difficult to believe that this nonsense was written by a person with more than a fifth grade education. Of course you have a right to your opinion, but frankly, I’d be woefully embarrassed to have my name attached to such “scholarship,” given the reckless treatment of “facts” here. I hope that whatever institution awarded you your MA will, in the future, reconsider placing their recruitment ads in the Dingbat Gazette. <br /><br />PS your, grammar, stinks. <br />Sheila Drummond-Lopeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-32703716656732883492016-07-27T20:45:45.748-04:002016-07-27T20:45:45.748-04:001.
"[Kramden] is not at all ambitious, with ...1.<br /><br />"[Kramden] is not at all ambitious, with the exception of lifting a fork…. His world revolves around bowling and he doesn’t appear to care about bettering his situation in real meaningful ways." <br /><br />This is patently false. In fact, many episodes revolve around Kramden trying to better himself, and “bettering himself” almost invariably meant providing a better life for Alice. One episode that springs to mind is the very tender “A Dog’s Life,” in which Ralph believes he is going to die from arterial monochromia. Realizing, upon attempting to write his will, he has nothing to leave Alice, Ralph sells his story to a magazine and puts the money into an account in Alice’s name. Other episodes reveal that Kramden’s schemes are more often than not born out of his desire to furnish his beloved wife with furs, fashionable clothes, and, in at least one episode, the removal of a pesky bunion. <br /><br />While “physical gesturing/threats, pounding on or throwing inanimate objects, screaming and verbal threats” might reasonably scan as ‘red flags’ in real life, such behavior has long been integral to physical comedy dating back to Shakespeare. I notice you don’t mention the wanton physical violence of The Three Stooges, a comedy team who debuted a good quarter century before The Honeymooners aired. Is it because you believe that the actual onscreen depiction of male-on-male violence is unworthy of derision because it’s just…funnier? <br /><br />“…several actresses were considered for the Honeymooner’s (sic) co-staring (sic) wife role. However, some were blacklisted during the time of the McCarthy hearings.” <br /><br />Not “some.” One: her name was Pert Kelton. Maybe instead of anachronistically criticizing a fictionalized television show from the fifties for not sharing your simpleminded, sanctimonious, and reactionary worldview, you might use your influence to address injustices done by real life people to real life people in real life. How about writing about the treatment of the aforementioned Pert Kelton, as well as countless other actors and actresses, at the hands of the HUAC? Side note: if you did even an itsy-bitsy bit of research beyond glancing at Wikipedia, you’d know that Kelton remained on Gleason’s Cavalcade of Stars through the program’s final season of the series despite the blacklist, largely due to Gleason’s influence, and his noncompliance with Red Scare hysteria. <br /><br /> “[Meadows] sent Gleason her ‘wake up in the morning look’ in a ripped housecoat when she was considered “too pretty” for the role. What out-of-the-box thinking!” <br /><br />Your sarcasm, like much of your article, misses the point here. Prior to The Honeymooners, the still-green Meadows was almost exclusively cast in roles befitting a young, attractive woman. You miss an opportunity here to focus on Meadows’ resourcefulness here—which might have made a compelling thinkpiece about clever, shrewd women in Cold War Hollywood—instead choosing to myopically view Gleason’s rejection of her for the role as an attack on all womanhood. In fact, Gleason’s initial rejection of Meadows displays an (admittedly rare) showing of humility on his part: he was well aware who the monster was in this particular beauty and the beast dyad. <br /><br />Con'd...<br />Sheila Drummond-Lopeznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-44185871484761078902015-01-08T23:36:00.024-05:002015-01-08T23:36:00.024-05:00telling to a wife she's the greatest doesn'...telling to a wife she's the greatest doesn't mean there's no domestic abuse. the husband can be the nicest person ever and give gifts then beat her and abuse her emotionally, that's why the poor woman's always confused whether leaving him or not, is love or not? they start making excuses "he brought me serenade so he loves me, sometimes he beats me cos he's stressful, but he said I love you and gave me flowers..." honeymooners is not a healthy relationship making threats and talking with sarcasm instead of saying the things as should mizer doll.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16135998663934881191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-80607460480289109392015-01-08T23:31:50.361-05:002015-01-08T23:31:50.361-05:00at those times it was very normal the abuse, sadly...at those times it was very normal the abuse, sadly still it is, maybe it was funny then. I remember I saw an old magazine which taught men to beat women... I'm glad times have change, not so much, but could be worst mizer doll.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16135998663934881191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-32056443041991542452014-12-21T18:34:58.123-05:002014-12-21T18:34:58.123-05:00Ralph's thing was indeed "all bark and no...Ralph's thing was indeed "all bark and no bite." To use his pictures in a discussion of domestic violence is false both to "The Honeymooners" and to real domestic abuse. In the show, Ralph was just a feckless blowhard (and his wife knew it). His pie-in-the-sky plans and schemes always failed miserably -- but humorously -- and in the end he he had to admit to Alice "you're the greatest." Domestic abuse, on the other hand, is serious, not humorous, and doesn't have a happy ending, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-8271883719227407942013-10-25T10:50:35.536-04:002013-10-25T10:50:35.536-04:00Ralph’s all-bark-and-no-bite act is trumped only b...Ralph’s all-bark-and-no-bite act is trumped only by Alice’s sarcasm and sharp tongue so it is no contest. Ralph Kramden shouts, but Alice’s snide remarks speak far louder. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-73732127017594583692013-03-06T11:39:02.211-05:002013-03-06T11:39:02.211-05:00Very good article! We will be linking to this grea...Very good article! We will be linking to this great article on our website. Keep up the good writing.guest house accommodation in killarneyhttp://www.19thgreen-bb.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-12203679347053220072012-01-20T11:39:45.609-05:002012-01-20T11:39:45.609-05:00I absolutely agree, many women are beaten down wit...I absolutely agree, many women are beaten down with abusive sarcasm, insults, and threats, and that often leads to physical abuse. Certainly by today's standards, the Honeymooners would be considered completely incorrect. For some reason, back then it worked and it seemed innocent. <br /><br />I haven't gone back and viewed the old Honeymooners videos, but my perception was always that Alice actually wore the pants in the family. She allowed Ralph to think he was boss. Ralph was actually afraid to let Alice find out about his stupid schemes and often hid things from her because he feared her reaction (at least that's what I remember). <br /><br />Either way, I agree, not a show for children to watch.Kay Van Hoesenhttp://www.herewomentalk.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-34417351124905038072012-01-17T19:45:23.142-05:002012-01-17T19:45:23.142-05:00Lady Portia- the information in the Time's Up ...Lady Portia- the information in the Time's Up applies in your Country. Perhaps if you email me at murphymilano@gmail.com we can discuss this further. SusanSusan Murphy Milanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15671115229818033345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-4312202232375364682012-01-17T19:16:58.225-05:002012-01-17T19:16:58.225-05:00Lady Portia: Thank you so much for the kind words...Lady Portia: Thank you so much for the kind words and your insights on the status of intimate partner violence in the UK. The prevailing attitudes sound so medieval!<br />I feel strongly that the content of Susan Murphy Milano's "Time's Up" book would absolutely apply in the UK. The use of the affidavit and video, I would hope could somehow be recognized by the Crown, even though you may have different hearsay and evidence rules. However, I am not an attorney, and am only "speculating in the wind" on this point. Perhaps an attorney you know or Susan herself could speak to this... I can't stress how important this material is for those abused worldwide! I will share this with her.... Kindly pass on this blog to others if you can! Respectfully, Donna "Ladyjustice"Donna R. Gorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13601240360153987871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6032288097291902285.post-81440380938839373522012-01-17T06:55:09.275-05:002012-01-17T06:55:09.275-05:00Excellent article.
Sadly the justice system tends...Excellent article.<br /><br />Sadly the justice system tends to side with these male domestic terrorists and make excuses for their behaviour.<br /><br />In Ireland- Catholic- married women victims are told by judges in court that women are supposed to know their place and obey- or the court will make them homeless and take the children.<br /><br />I would never believe this, had I not heard it with my own ears.<br /><br />Roll on a few years and I meet another victim in UK, whose abuser does all the things you mention above.<br />The one that stands out is the accusation re victim being insane and his efforts to commit her, because she called police.<br />He even managed to convince a judge that the 2 psychiatic reports saying the victim was not insane were Fake- now that is serious.<br /><br />If those on the bench can be institutionally groomed by domestic terrorists, then serious re education is needed.<br /><br />It got better, when this terrorist threatened to kill her and police did nothing.It is even on tape- yet nothing is being done.<br /><br />2012 and collective conscious needs a serious awakening to this matter.<br /><br />First priority is to open these courts to the public and allow the media to report.Lady Portiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15926578434258745634noreply@blogger.com